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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: GOG is NOT PD and SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM IA

See skybandit's first post. Or doesn't an old copy of the movie count with you somehow?

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Poster: kimpunkrock Date: Dec 13, 2010 1:27am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: GOG is NOT PD and SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM IA

why do u care? what are u a stupid fed or something.

GET A LIFE!

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

I've already seen that post.

Have you seen this?


http://www.mightydrives.com/pmi/moviecatalog/imagesformovies/gogcolophon.jpg

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:24am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

So old copies that show the film was released without a copyright notice don't count with you. How very selective. Don't let the facts or common sense get in the way of your opinion!

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:36am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

I just showed you a high resolution picture of the copyright for Gog.
You're welcome.
It comes at one hour and twenty two minutes. What does your copy have at this point in time?

Where did you get your copy from? And do you know anything about skybandit's copy you seem to be relyin;g on?

He said "I've got an old, ragged VHS version." Maybe it's bootleg like yours?

Where did you get your copy and what came with it?

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:45am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Tired of this crap. Not interested in your bizarre inquisition. We'll see what happens. Go back to your email rage thing, Ok?

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 12:34pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Your personal insults are noted and won't be returned.

But I'm not going anywhere. Why not tell us about where you got your copy and why you stand behind it? It could clarify things.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 10, 2010 2:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

You've insulted me and skybandit. There is no personal insult toward you in my last post that I can see, and none intended. Cough *troll* cough.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 4:10pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Why not tell us about where you got your copy and why you stand behind it? It could clarify things.

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Poster: Elric_Dewisant Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:52am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

And who is to say that your copy has those frames added after the fact? That would be be copyright fraud.

Point of fact: If the film even accidentally entered into PD status due to a mistake either in registration or release, the original producer would be committing copyright fraud after the fact by attempting to reclaim the work.

I'm not confusing you, am I?

I know! I'll contact a necromancer and have him raise Ivan Tors from the dead so we can ask him! Any requests for other dead people, while I'm at it?

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 12:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

You said:

"And who is to say that your copy has those frames added after the fact? That would be be copyright fraud."

Who is to say? Are you saying it? Think about it. This statement applies to every single film ever made with a copyright notice. Tens of thousands of films. A huge generalization that's as wide as they come, but without any facts or evidence in this case.

"Point of fact: If the film even accidentally entered into PD status due to a mistake either in registration or release, the original producer would be committing copyright fraud after the fact by attempting to reclaim the work."

Another "would be" generalization with nothing to back in up in this case.

Your personal insults could be better but specific facts would be even more appreciated.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Dec 10, 2010 12:40pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

I agree on one thing and that this controversy has dragged on longer than it should, I will say that had I a decent copy of this film I don't think I would have uploaded it because I do harbor enough doubt that it is ok for upload. But it IS here and I am curious to see what happens at this point, whether it does get taken down and how long it takes for that to happen. There are other films here on IA that I THINK may be copyright, such as FRANKENSTEIN '80, which I think may be GATT, but since I have no real facts to bear me out, and no one else has said anything about it, I'm forced to give it the benefit of the doubt, since I have posted my suspicions about this film. Getting back to GOG, I have a hunch this will be pulled at some point, but I'm not willing to bet my collection of FAMOUS MONSTERS on it.

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Poster: Elric_Dewisant Date: Dec 10, 2010 12:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Oh, yes. You're absolutely right in absolutely everything you....wait. No. What complete and utter bullshit.

I'm sorry. Generalizations? What? Have you ever paid any attention to any discussion of copyright law ever held on this site in any of the forums? Have you *read* any part of Title 17 of the United States Code (That's the volume entirely dedicated to copyright law!)? Have you studied copyright law in any detail beyond that "for dummies" pamphlet you picked up at your local branch of the John Birch Society memburr's borrowin' liebary? Do you even know how to read beyond a third grade level?

I've been resisting it, but now I just can't get past it. And, now, I just don't feel any need to be even remotely nice about it.

Point of fact: You. Are. A. Fucking. Idiot. >.<

Source: Read this entire thread.

On an unrelated note, Zombie Ivan Tors called. He doesn't remember and is very hungry for brains. I suggested he try your house, but he was afraid of starving to death.

I give up. I'm done.

Moral: There is no point to having a battle of wits, let alone a civil conversation, with an unarmed thing like elmagno.

(Ban me. I don't really care, right now. This is one post I'll stand by to my dying day.)

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Poster: skybandit Date: Dec 10, 2010 1:21pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

This is from the original credits found on Google Video:

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/skybandit/Gog/Gogcopyrightnoticeexampleofothercredits2.jpg

This is the credit screenshot showing copyright:
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/skybandit/Gog/Gogcopyrightnoticeexampleofothercredits1.jpg

The different backgrounds and different fonts seem to indicate that the second was, indeed, added later, possibly for the DVD release. Again, all the copyright data may apply to the 3D version, and somebody forgot to transfer them to the 2D copy way back when. I once heard that "Night of the Living Dead" became PD when 16mm prints were mastered for lower eschelon theaters and the copyright notice was left off, which is part of the reason PD copies are low-quality. Anyone ever seen this thing in more that two dimensions?

This post was modified by skybandit on 2010-12-10 21:21:43

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Dec 10, 2010 11:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

The screen cap with the notice is from the "restored" flat version of the original 3d version of the film, which was originally presented in a 1.66:1 ratio. The version uploaded here without notice is the "flat" version that was made and released just after the original 3d release (this was presented in the 1.85:1 ratio).

Even if someone argued that the original flat version of the film was PD due to omission of notice, it is technically a derivative work and falls under the prior, enforcable copyright of the 3d version.

Re NOTLD: That film lost its copyright due to a last minute title change prior to release. The original title and copyright notice were removed, but only the title was replaced putting the film into the PD on release.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 11, 2010 5:35am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Thanks.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 11, 2010 4:43am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Great to have the facts on this film. I read somewhere, maybe IMDb (maybe not), that by its 1954 release the 3D craze had actually peaked and was passing and that the film didn't show much at all in 3D.

The Google copy claims to have come originally from IA some two years ago. Does anyone recall a prior take down notice?

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Poster: skybandit Date: Dec 11, 2010 9:25pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

“Even if someone argued that the original flat version of the film was PD due to omission of notice, it is technically a derivative work and falls under the prior, enforcable copyright of the 3d version.”…IF the 3D version had a copyright notice, a question we can’t seem to get answered! :)

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 12, 2010 7:04am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Good point.

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Poster: skybandit Date: Dec 13, 2010 7:08pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Better safe than sorry and all that. I'm a nice guy, so I nicked my new DVD version from Google instead of here.

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Poster: skybandit Date: Dec 13, 2010 7:12pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

"Re NOTLD: That film lost its copyright due to a last minute title change prior to release. The original title and copyright notice were removed, but only the title was replaced putting the film into the PD on release."
Once again proving that not everything I've heard is true. Thanks for weighing in on this, the flames were beginning to burn! :)

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Dec 10, 2010 3:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

Just noticed that Gog has been at Google Video for 2 years.

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Poster: kimpunkrock Date: Dec 13, 2010 1:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

yes because the company claiming copyright doesnt own said film. It is a FAKE copyright claim.

Get a life loser.

I cant stand little bosy bodied idiots like yourself that go around looking for films to pull from archive.org, esp older ones.

screw u.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Dec 10, 2010 4:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

I wonder what the print at Sinister Cinema looks like. Might just check that out.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Dec 10, 2010 2:33pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: A Thousand Words

This is a good way to approach it, I think. I just rewatched Netflix and, though the fonts looked alike to me, I'll have to defer to you and others on that.

The colors and background are noticeably dissimilar. But, then again the beginning shows the same difference compared to "The End" page, that is, they don't match either.

Are you pretty confident that your VHS copy is an Ivan Tors/UA original?

This is an edit: Sorry, I found your post where you said you taped your copy off the TV.

This post was modified by elmagno on 2010-12-10 22:33:02